Yesterday, May 20,2013, Toni Ingram tweeted 14 “clues” that she apparently thought were significant in relation to her daughter’s death. By definition a clue is something that serves as a guide or aid in the solution of a problem or mystery. Following that definition, these aren’t really clues. None of these lead anywhere.
Below are Toni’s clues followed by my response.
Quotes are written by Toni Ingram and posted @morgansstalking:
Clue #1 Amitriptyline [sic] in the stomach is not related to PMR but Amitriptyline [sic] in the blood is subject to PER [sic]
Clue #2 How could a person have a blood level of 7900+ng in her blood, when 1,000 ng is lethal?
Clue #3 the amount of Amitriptyline [sic] in Morgan’s stomach fluid was not enough to kill her, but that is what the pathologist based suicide on
Clue #4 if you were a Forensic Toxicologist you would know why the date rape drugs in Morgan’s stomach fluid never made it in to her blood especially because one of those date rape drugs would have gone into the blood at the same time as the Amitriptyline [sic]
Clue #5 The Pathologist that did Morgan’s autopsy blames PMR for her high reading, but PMR kicks in at 24 hrs & goes for the next 24 hrs.
Clue #6 Pathol. est. Morgan took 18 pills, only accts for Ami in gastric not the 7909ng/ml found in her blood. 18-25 mg pills not lethal
I have grouped these first six together since they all concern amitriptyline.
This has all been addressed before, much of it in a previous blog, What Dr. Kurtzman Knew. Either she does not understand the science or she refuses to accept it. Toni claims they have consulted with several medical professionals but I find that claim highly suspect. These first six “clues” show a complete lack of understanding for even basic pharmacology and organic chemistry.
One more time for those who joined us late:
Toxicity and absorption of drugs cannot be discussed without a basic understanding of pharmacogenetics.
Pharmacogenetics is the study of genetic differences that affect an individual’s response to certain drugs. Different drugs undergo different metabolisms as a result of genetic variation, especially in the cytochrome p450 family of enzymes. My point? There are no absolutes. It’s impossible to know Morgan’s cardiotoxic level without knowing if she was or was not deficient in the cytochrome P450 enzyme.
Cardiotoxic levels of amitriptyline generally occur between 450 ng/ml to 1,000 ng/ml. Okay, so how did Morgan end up with a postmortem level of 7909 ng/ml.
First it is essential to understand that when medical professionals talk about the cardiotoxic level they mean antemortem, prior to death. Antemortem levels are based on plasma, which is prepared by spinning down a fresh whole blood sample to remove the red blood cells, white blood cells, and platelets. From a pharmacokinetic perspective, red blood cells, white blood cells, and platelets are a tissue compartment.
As I mentioned in What Dr. Kurtzman Knew, amitriptyline is highly lipophilic (lipo=fat + philic=love of) and found in greater concentrations in both fat and protein than in plasma. The human body begins autolysis, the breakdown of tissue, at the moment of death (the idea that this process waits 24 hours and ends 24 hours later, is laughable). Amitriptyline, resides mostly in deep tissue compartments and is released into whole blood.
The result is the levels in the whole blood, which is what is used for a postmortem sample, will reflect concentrations from tissue, red blood cells, white blood cells, and plasma and range from 5 to 10 times higher than the antemortem plasma concentration. In addition, there may be redistribution from other tissue compartments into the blood as the body decomposes.
Clue #6 [sic] Morgan had an overkill dose of drugs in her blood, but no container or syringe was found anywhere in her room or in the house.
The “container” was the pill bottle next to her bed.
Clue #7 Morgan’s nails were torn on her right hand 1-1/2 years later nobody in GarCo can produce a picture from the crime scene of her nails.
According to the medical examiner, her nails were intact when Morgan left his morgue.
Det. Sergeant D. Breier
Unattended Death Report
She exhibited a small amount of blood in her mouth [pulminary edema]. There was a very small red mark on the right side of her forehead [lividity]; otherwise there was no apparent evidence of external trauma
Case # 11-29169
Detective J. A. LeMoine
Unattended Death Report
Once the Coroner arrived on scene the towel covering Morgan’s upper portion of her body was removed. Video and photographs of Morgan’s body were taken at this time. I did not observe any signs of trauma on Morgan at this time.
Clue #8 ALL of her jewelry of value went missing on the night she was killed while her #stalker frequents cash for gold establishments.
Toni concluded Morgan’s jewelry was missing only after she heard Keenan was picked up on a theft warrant. These charges were later dropped.
Det. Robert Glassmire:
I explained to Toni that if she wants to report a theft of Morgan’s jewelry I would be happy to assist with that and either generate a new case or add it to the ongoing stalking case. I then told her that she would have to complete a list of stolen items and that she could not look at a list of items and determine what had been stolen from that list.
It should be noted that there is no information to believe that Keenan Vanginkel has stolen any of Morgan Ingram’s jewelry. Furthermore, Toni or Steve Ingram have yet to provide me with a list to base a theft report on.
Clue #9 Morgan’s #panic button was torn from its mount on her nightstand and found hidden in her room.
We only have Toni’s word on this and we all know what that’s worth.
Clue #10 The rain gutter directly over Morgan’s bedroom window was torn in half by repeated bending by her #stalker leaning over the edge!
The gutter was discovered long after the Ingram’s moved from the house. If someone was leaning on the gutter it would bend, sag, or pull away from the house. The gutter over Morgan’s windows appears split on a seam
Clue #11 Morgan’s room was completely disheveled with obvious signs of a struggle having taken place there
Case # 11-29169
Detective J. A. LeMoine
Unattended Death Report
During this time I observed that Morgan’s bedroom was disorganized with clothing and other items covering the majority of the floor. I observed that the adjoining bathroom to Morgan’s bedroom was in the same condition.
Did the struggle continue into the bathroom? If Morgan fought off an attacker to the point that it left her room in disarray (Det. Sergeant Breier called it slovenly), how is it she bore no defensive wounds and her body showed no signs of trauma? How is it this struggle was not heard by Steve and Toni Ingram?
Clue #12 Figures are caught three times outside the house by video surveillance on the night Morgan was killed.
Supplemental report #2
Det. Sergeant D. Breier
The residence has an installed video surveillance systems recorded by a DVR. The video was reviewed which showed the decedent (identified as Morgan Ingram) returning home around 2100 hours. There was no further activity until the decedent’s mother moved the vehicle she had parked in the driveway so emergency responders could access the house
Clue #13 The next door neighbor reported odd things going on in Morgan’s bathroom the night she was killed – but was never questioned
How did the neighbor know what happened in Morgan’s bathroom? Surely Morgan would have her blinds drawn/shade pulled down etc.
Clue #14 Why would a person that does not know Morgan or her family & wasn’t involved in her stalking/murder be so invested in lying?
First: I have never lied about Steve, Toni, or Morgan Ingram, Keenan, Brooke, or anyone else connected to this tragedy. The Truth for Morgan group has NEVER harassed or bullied Steve or Toni Ingram or any of their supporters. We don’t have to slander Jodin Davunt, Sarah Afshar, or Mark Mann et al. They have successfully made themselves look far worse than we ever could.
When I discovered distortions and outright lies in the Morgan’s Stalking blog, lies of which Toni was made aware, I delayed exposing her faux pas, to give her every opportunity to correct or retract her mistakes (she didn’t). Furthermore, I use proper blogging etiquette and strikethrough if I have to make changes, unlike Toni who completely deletes and rewrites posts on a whim.
Essentially Toni is asking why we we would bother to stick up for someone (Keenan Vanginkel) we do not know personally. In my opinion her inability to grasp the why factor is telling.
Toni Ingram has made it her life’s mission to ruin the lives of others based on faulty logic and substandard science. There is absolutely no evidence that Keenan stalked or murdered Morgan, but that doesn’t matter to Toni. She slanders and accuses any and all who dare to disagree with her, unfettered by morals or conscience. The young people Toni bullies have barely crossed into adulthood. Life is hard; Competition for opportunities to advance is greater than it ever was. Toni Ingram is robbing these kids of their futures and limiting their opportunities by besmirching their names.
Someone has to stand up to her and say enough is enough
Why? Because it is the right thing to do……
It’s that simple
May 15, 2013
by Shelby (not to be confused with MayraMM, Marcie Wogan, or Tricia Griffith)
On February 23, 2013 Toni Ingram wrote:
This is our first New Year without Morgan – we cried a lot today. Detective Rob & Megan were supposed to come over today, but didn’t make it.
According to supplemental report #14 in the felony stalking case file Detectives Glassmire and Alsatt did indeed keep their appointment with the Ingrams. Toni presented the detectives with “evidence” she and Steve collected. After leaving the Ingrams Detectives Glassmire and Alsatt went to the home of “Nina,” to question her, based on info provided by Leesa Weist.
Supplement Report #14
January 3, 2012
Subject of Narrative:
1. Follow up with Ingrams on January 1, 2012.
2. Interview with Leylani B**** R**** (DOB 03/11/1991 (Nina) on January 2, 2012.
On January 1, 2012, Detective Alstatt and I met with Toni and Steve Ingram at their home. They provided me with miscellaneous items that they felt could be important. The items included things that were collected from around the house such as papers, hairs, and other items that would generally included trash. The Ingrams conceded that it might have no relevance to the case but thought that it was important to provide it to me for my determination as to its relevance. I feel that since it was provided it is important to maintain it as evidence since I do not know the items relevance at this point.
Therefore, I placed the items in a single evidence bag and submitted them to evidence.
The Ingrams also had a concern that the suspect(s) may have left fingerprints on a Land Rover parked in the driveway. There is video evidence of what appears to be a person crouched near back of the Land Rover. I examined the Land Rover, did not see the presence of latent prints, and noted no ignificant areas where latent prints would be recovered. The video that I referred to was captured several months ago and since then the weather has provided cold temperatures, rain, and snow.
Detective Alstatt and I then left the residence stopping by the home of Leylani “Nina” B**** R****. We left a business card with Nina’s father and asked that he have her call me. In supplemental 13, I wrote that Ryan Ingram’s girlfriend had told me about how Nina had come over to the house and she acted fidgety when asked about whom the stalker was. Nina apparently said that if it was K**** or B**** they were just playing around.
My purpose for trying to find Nina was so that I could interview her. Nina did call me on January 1, 2012 and we set up an interview for January 2, 2012 at 1230. Detective Alstatt and I met with Nina at that time and interviewed her at the Garfield County Sheriff’s Office interview room. The interview was recorded and lasted about 16 minutes. The following is a summary of the interview and the interview should be viewed for a better understanding.
I spoke with Nina about how she knew Morgan and she explained that she went to school with Morgan on and off during their adolescent years. Nina said that they also lived near each other at several different locations.
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Nina said that she had not talked with Morgan in depth over the last few years but she had seen her from time to time, the most recent being a few days before her death. Nina said that the conversation was short and they talked about how they should get together soon.
I spoke with Nina about what she thought about the stalking case and she said that she didn’t have any real plausible explanations. Nina explained that she thought it might have been a boyfriend that was jealous but she learned that Morgan did not have any bad relationships with ex-boyfriends. Nina also said she thought it might be some friends playing a joke but Nina said she figured if it was friends then they would have stopped after the police were called.
I spoke with Nina about her thoughts as they related to B**** H**** or K**** V**** and she said that if it was them they were playing a joke. Nina said she doesn’t know K**** well but she did not think B**** would have done something like that. Nina said that B**** and Morgan were friends at one point but did not think that they ended their relationship in a good way. Nina said that B**** went to rehab at the age of 13.
Overall, Nina provided a consistent statement and I did not feel that she was strongly opinionated about who the stalker could be. Nina seemed very neutral. The interview ended.
The case is still active.
Item 12 – Items from around the house. I collected the item on January 1, 2011, maintained in my vehicle until January 3, 2011 when I submitted it into evidence locker 7 at the Garfield County Sheriff’s Office Annex.
Item 13 – DVD of interview with Nina collected on January 2, 2012. The interview was submitted to evidence on January 3, 2012 at the Garfield County Sheriff’s Office annex.